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19-03-2006, 12:49 PM
On 7 March 2006 the Department of Health announced changes to the immigration rules for postgraduate doctors and dentists. The changes, which will come into effect shortly, mean that all doctors and dentists who wish to work in the UK from outside the European Union will need to meet the requirements of an employment category, such as the work permit provisions.
For employers this will mean that any NHS trust wishing to employ a doctor or dentist from outside the EU will have to prove that a "home-grown" doctor cannot fill the vacant post.
The current immigration rules allow the category of Postgraduate Doctors and Dentists to train in foundation programmes, senior house office and equivalent grades and in specialist registrar and equivalent grades. For immigration purposes they are considered as being in training and not in employment. However, this will no longer be the case and these posts will be considered as employment posts for immigration purposes and therefore applicants will need to hold a valid work permit.
Any existing leave will continue on the current conditions. This means that if someone has valid leave as a postgraduate doctor or dentist they can continue in their current post and take up any other relevant training posts until their leave expires. If the doctor or dentist wishes to remain in the UK beyond this time, they will need to meet the requirements of an employment category of the immigration rules, such as work permits. If they do not meet the requirements they will have to leave the UK.
Overseas doctors and dentists will still be able to come and train in the UK. However, they will now be considered as being in employment for immigration purposes. Work permits will only be issued where there is a specific post for the overseas doctor or dentist which cannot be filled by someone from within the UK or EEA.
The specific category for postgraduate doctors and dentists will still remain for non-EU nationals who have trained at UK medical schools so that they can undertake a Foundation Programme and acquire full registration from the GMC.
The Department of Health and the Home Office have agreed transitional arrangements for doctors whose leave to remain expires before the end of their programme. These individuals are able to switch into the work permit system without their employer needing to advertise the post. Further information about the transitional arrangements will be available nearer the time.
Visit following sites for details:
UK work permit required for international doctors
MMC (Overseas Doctors)
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19-03-2006, 03:30 PM
thanks for the info, Its better not to think about plab, mrcs, mrcp now onwards
demon_dissector there is no links Quote:
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UK work permit required for international doctors
MMC (Overseas Doctors)
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20-03-2006, 01:11 AM
All doctors wishing to work in the UK from outside the European Union (EU) will be required to have a work permit from July 2006 Health Minister Lord Warner announced today.
The move means that any NHS trust wishing to employ a doctor from outside the EU will have to prove that a ‘home-grown’ doctor cannot fill the vacant post, ending the current permit free training arrangement for international doctors.
Health Minister Lord Warner said:
“We now have more than 117,000 doctors working in the NHS, 27,400 more than in 1997 as well as record levels of doctors in training in UK medical schools.
“This investment and expansion, coupled with the reform of medical education, is leading to increased competition for medical posts as vacancy rates fall.
“Therefore, to ensure that we are only recruiting doctors to the UK where we have a genuine skills shortage NHS Trusts will be required to get a work permit for every doctor that they wish to employ from outside the EU.
“In future International Medical Graduates who wish to work or train in the NHS will need a work permit. To obtain a work permit an employer must show that a genuine vacancy exists, which cannot be filled with a resident worker.”
“We recognise that international doctors have made a huge contribution to the NHS since it was founded in 1948 and there will still be opportunities for overseas staff to come to the UK. We will continue to need small numbers of specialist doctors, who can bring their skills and experience to the NHS. However, increasingly the NHS will be less reliant on international medical recruitment.”
The changes will come into action shortly when the NHS will only be able to recruit internationally when they cannot fill a training post with a UK or EEA graduate or a doctor in the UK with refugee status.
The only exception will be to allow two years of permit-free training for non-European Union nationals who have trained in a UK medical schools so that they can acquire full registration with the GMC.
Any doctor wishing to apply for postgraduate medical education training in the UK , whether at the Modernising Medical Careers foundation programme level or senior house officer stage, will be required to have a work permit.
Currently International Medical Graduates (IMGs) are able to undertake postgraduate medical education in the UK without needing a work permit.
Health Minister Lord Warner added:
“The Department of Health will continue to work with the General Medical Council to ensure that IMGs who are interested in working or training in the UK understand exactly what type of job and training opportunities exist. “
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Notes to editor
There are currently 117,036 doctors working in the NHS, an increase of 27,417 since 1997
Numbers of doctors entering medical school 1997/98 2005-06 Increase
(1997-98 to 2004-05)
% Increase
(1997-98 to 2004-05)
England
3,749
6,298
2,549
68.0%
UK Total
5,062
7,898
2,836
56.0%
The vacancy rate for consultants has fallen each year since 2002
We are changing the specific category within the Immigration Rules for Postgraduate Doctors and Dentists. At the moment, this category enables doctors and dentists to train in Foundation Programmes, in Senior House Officer and equivalent grades and in Specialist Registrar and equivalent grades. For immigration purposes they are considered as being in training, and not in employment in the UK. This will no longer be the case, and these will now be considered as employment posts for immigration purposes. This means that these doctors and dentists will need to meet the requirements of an employment category of the Immigration Rules, such as the work permit provisions.
Any existing leave will continue on the current conditions. This means that, if someone has valid leave as a Postgraduate Doctor or Dentist, they can continue in their current post and take up any other relevant training posts until their leave expires.
If they want to remain in the UK beyond this time, then they will need to meet the requirements of a relevant category within the Immigration Rules, such as the work permit system. If they do not meet the requirements of the Immigration Rules, then they will have to leave the UK.
Overseas doctors and dentists will still be able to come and train in the UK. However, they will now be considered as being in employment for immigration purposes, and will therefore need to meet the requirements of an employment category of the Immigration Rules, such as the work permit system. Work permits will only be issued where there is a specific post for the overseas doctor or dentist which cannot be filled by someone from within the UK or EEA.
Media enquiries only to Sally Aldous, Department of Health Media Centre, 020 7210 5230
If you are a doctor wanting further information about how this effects you please call NHS careers on 0845 6060655 or the Home Office's Immigration and Nationality Enquiry Bureau on telephone: 0870 606 7766 or by e-mail: indpublicenquiries@ind.homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
Any queries from NHS employers in England, such as deaneries and trusts, should be referred to Eileen Calline or Sarah Francis at NHS Employers on 0113 306 3030. http://www.dh.gov.uk/PublicationsAnd...255&chk=TadpQg | | The Following User Says Thank You to demon_dissector For This Useful Post: | | | xenoMED Advisor | | Posts: 366 Thanks: 0
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20-03-2006, 01:15 AM
Overseas Doctors
On 7th March 2006 the Department of Health announced that the Government will be changing the specific category within the immigration rules for postgraduate doctors and dentists. These changes will come into effect shortly.
At the moment, this category enables doctors and dentists to train in Foundation Programmes, in Senior House Officer and equivalent grades and in Specialist Registrar and equivalent grades. For immigration purposes they are considered as being in training, and not in employment in the UK. This will no longer be the case, and these will now be considered as employment posts for immigration purposes. This means that these doctors and dentists will need to meet the requirements of an employment category of the Immigration Rules, such as the work permit provisions.
Both the needs and the structure of the health service and medical training programmes have changed considerably since this category was introduced, as have the immigration provisions for overseas nationals who want to work in the UK. In addition, the number of places in UK medical and dental schools has increased, meaning that there are now more UK graduates seeking relevant training posts.
There is therefore no longer a need for a specific category in the Immigration Rules to enable doctors and dentists to train in the UK for many years. However, there will still be a category called Postgraduate Doctors and Dentists. In future, this will only provide for those doctors and dentists who have completed their medical / dental studies in the UK to take their Foundation Programme here.
Any existing leave will continue on the current conditions. This means that, if someone has valid leave as a Postgraduate Doctor or Dentist, they can continue in their current post and take up any other relevant training posts until their leave expires.
We are putting transitional arrangements in place so that anyone with leave as a Postgraduate Doctor or Dentist who needs an extension of stay to complete their current training post (or one offered to them before the announcement was made) will be able to switch into the work permit system without their employer needing to advertise the post first. Further information on the transitional arrangements will be available nearer the time.
Further information is available at the NHS Employers website.
Other links
Foundation Programme eligibility - click here for information on Foundation Programme application procedures and eligibility.
NACPME - The National Advice Centre for Postgraduate Medical Education (NACPME) aims to provide accurate and easily accessible information on topics relevant to overseas-qualified doctors intending to train and study in the UK.
BAPIO - British Association of Physicians of Indian Origin. This group aims to monitor and highlight the difficulties faced by doctors coming from the Indian sub-continent and to support them.
ROSE - ROSE is an NHS led website to support refugee and overseas qualified health professionals who are settled in the UK return to work in the health sector. http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/plab/ - The PLAB test is the main route for International Medical Graduates (IMGs) to show they have the necessary skills and knowledge to practice medicine in the UK. Click here to find out if you need to take the PLAB test and also guidance for PLAB test candidates. http://www.mmc.nhs.uk/pages/careers/overseas-doctors | | The Following User Says Thank You to demon_dissector For This Useful Post: | | | xenoMED Advisor | | Posts: 366 Thanks: 0
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20-03-2006, 01:17 AM
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07-06-2006, 03:55 PM
NDA (UK) has extended its support to British Association of Physicians of Indian Origin for legal action against the unjust immigration ruling. In his letter of support, Dr Madan Sharma, Chairman of the NDA (UK) expressed NDA (UK)'s solidarity and support to the BAPIO in our just struggle against discriminatory immigration rule. Click this link to read the letter in detail.
You all are aware of the new immigration ruling that was announced on 7th March 2006 effectively ending equal opportunities for doctors from the Indian subcontinent and from elsewhere outside the European Union.
This ruling was introduced with no consultation and was applied retrospectively.
This means that many doctors who are already in the middle of their training may not be able to get further jobs and will have to leave the country to start all over again in their training. Doctors who have come to the UK , given PLAB and waiting for jobs will find their troubles multiplied many times because of this ruling. They are here spending time energy and money but have now had all hope taken away from them because they are no longer to be considered on equal opportunity. This includes so many of our new NDA members too who came to the UK with high hopes.
It is important to note that it is a myth that IMG doctors were taking away jobs from UK graduates. A recent BMA survey of over 3000 UK graduates showed that more than 93% of UK graduates were in jobs and more than half those who were not were so by choice. Similarly a survey has demonstrated that even in these highly competitive times, more than 60% of UK graduates send only 1 or 2 applications to secure their job. Only 10% had sent up to 25 applications
The ruling has caused huge distress to thousands of doctors and their families, making futures uncertain, demoralising the workforce and making IMG doctors feel unvalued and unwanted. This is shameful considering the unequivocal contribution of these doctors to the NHS for the last many decades. There has been an outcry from all sectors of the medical establishment including the BMA, the Royal Colleges and senior and junior members of the profession.
However the DOH has turned a deaf ear. The British Association of Physicians of Indian Origin ( www.bapio.co.uk) has taken legal advice and has been advised the outlook for a positive outcome is good. As a sister association, we thought it is appropriate to support BAPIO for this just cause for all of us who are adversely affected.
So, how can we help?
1. Spread awareness of this legal challenge by forwarding this letter or writing a letter like this with the details of the legal challenge to every doctor on your email list
2. Spread awareness of this legal challenge in our discussion web forums - Yahoo and/or xenoMED
3. Spread awareness of this legal challenge by word of mouth in the hospitals you work and amongst your friends
4. Donate what you can to the cause (click following BAPIO link for details http://www.bapioaction.moonfruit.com/, any amount is welcome but most doctors have donated £100 or more) - meticulous account keeping is guaranteed and will be available for examination Anil Tuladhar MRCP(UK), FRCPCH
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07-06-2006, 03:58 PM
BAPIO has lodged the case for Judicial Review with the High Court against the Government for abolishing Permit Free Training on 6th June 2006. Read more.... Anil Tuladhar MRCP(UK), FRCPCH
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Join Date: Jan 2006 | | | Re: Uk Work Permit Required For Non-eu Doctors -
26-08-2006, 06:35 AM
it is realy really shocking news. This kind of decisions really weakens the hope of doctors.What is happening all this.Well i am just going to get admission in medical college but now i am compelled to think about it since i am seeing decrease in scope in medical study even after spending such huge amount of money ,time, labour etc.
I have got UK visa which allows me to enter UK any time for any period of time. But i think it is not gonna help in my medical studies u can say in my carrer.
Please guys can u tell me what is work permit and its provisions.Is ther any hope??????
what do u mean by PLAB???
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