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Argument Between Health Minister & Medical Graduates from CHina
On the occasion of Chinese New year,Arniko organised annual party in Hotel Yak N Yeti on Jan 31,2008. Party was going very smoothly untill Minister of
State for Health and Population Sashi Shrestha's comments.She said Chinese Medical Graduates lack quality and Nation don't need Medical Graduates from CHina.After this comment, there was heated discussion between Minister Sashi Shrestha and Doctors/interns from China. For the security reason police had to be mobilized for Minister's safety.And Chinese ambassdor to Nepal was in shock with the minister's comment.
This news was published on Saanjako City Times Evening Daily, Feb 1, 2008 |  Article Tools | | |
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By
Walrus
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01-02-2008, 04:51 PM
| | Re: Argument Between Heath Minister & Medical Graduates from CHina
Quality does matter and we do not want anything even a little less. We entrust so much on them and if they are not of good quality them we are doomed.
There should be some quality check somewhere.
Am talking about these Ministers. How irresponsible comment was that. There should be a shoot at sight order for such indescency. | | |
By
sam
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01-02-2008, 07:44 PM
| | Re: Argument Between Heath Minister & Medical Graduates from CHina
actually its not china that don't produce quality doctors...the truth is its nepal that don't send quality students.so its not good to blame others and government should make some criteria to send quality students to china for medical study.if that then i am sure the doctors from china can compete with doctors from nepal..... | | | | | | Re: Argument Between Heath Minister & Medical Graduates from CHina
quality depends upon the person.... becoz of 10 rotten eggs in the carret of 100 u cant say the rest of 90 are rotten as well.... rather than criticizing i think its better to work up for the better result.......i think the man who has been busy in keeping his ass in the god damn minister chair is equally resposible for the result..... so either they should increase the scholarship seat here in nepal or be selective in sending students abroad. lets seek for the solution not an arguement. | | |
By
Walrus
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02-02-2008, 04:20 AM
| | Re: Argument Between Heath Minister & Medical Graduates from CHina
should the government be making criteria to send students to china?
The first thing is how many of us agree that the students coming back from china are not good?
Government making criteria for sending student to china does not sound rational and if it does then there will be voices against that saying that it is against the interest of many students. Any one should be allowed to seek for any education they wish to.
Government already has some rules telling who will be and who wont be eligible to return to Nepal and get a license to practice. More than that. . thinking that government should also examine the students is asking for too much.
These students apply with their own wish to these institute, these renowned institute accept these students - which place should government interfere?
About more scholarship seats, should there be?
The private medical colleges might not be able to offer more seats to government. Indian run give 20% and Nepali run give 10%. Beside that government sends to china and Bangladesh. So in a year we have so many scholarship seats, I dont know how many exactly. More than that, should government be responsible. Those who are competent have enough opportunity, I think.
And those who cannot compete they should be paying. Now they choose to go to china then what can government do about that?
There are otherwise enough seats inside Nepal. But admission in Nepal is tougher than china. Same as those coming from India to study in Nepal. It is not because India does not have enough places for them nor because education in Nepal is in anyway better for them but because these students get easy admission in Nepal. | | | | | | Re: Argument Between Heath Minister & Medical Graduates from CHina
QUALITY !!!!!QUALITY!!!!!
REGARDING CONCERN OVER QUALITY OF MEDICAL GRADUATES FROM CHINA . I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THE CONCERNED AND OTHER BACK BITERS TO THINK SERIOUSLY BEFORE GIVING SUCH COMMENTS AND AVOID SHOWING THAT THEY ARE SUPERIOR TO THEIR MEDICAL GRADUATES FROM CHINA.
I AGREED THAT THERE ARE SOME STUDENTS WHO LACK QUALITY IN MANY RESPECT AS THEIR COLLEAGUES HERE IN NEPAL BUT IT DOESN'T IMPLY TO ALL.BEFORE GIVING SUCH INDESCENCY, I WOULD LIKE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE PATRIOTS ,NATION SERVERS AND GENIUS HAVE THEY KNOWN CHINESE EDUCATION IN THE WORLD? HAVE THEY HEARD OR SEEN THE CHINESE UNIVERSITIES AND THEIR QUALITY EDUCATION IN THIS ERA OF GLOBALIZATION ?HAVE THEY COMPETED WITH CHINESE NATION COUNTERPART??
IT IS NOT THE MATTER OF ARGUMENT RATHER GIVING IDEA OF SOLUTION.I THINK IT IS THE FAULT OF GOVERNMENTAND THOSE TOPMOST CONCERNED AUTHORITIES WHO THEMSELVES ARE UNQUALIFIED AND ARE BUSY IN THEIR PERSONAL MATTERS RATHER THAN COUNTRY'S AND GRASSROOT LEVEL NEPALESE CITIZENS AND THOSE WHO BELIEVED THAT THEY ARE SUPERIOR AND QUALIFIED THAN OTHER CHINESE COLLEAGUES ARE BOUNDED BY THEIR NARROWMINDEDNESS AND WORTHLESS MENTALITY.ISN'T THERE ARE CHINESE GRADUATES WHO HAS EARNED NAME AND FAME ?
FIRST OF ALL GOVERNMENT SHOULD KNOW WHY NEPALESE STUDENTS GO CHINA BY INVESTING SUCH HUGE MONEY?UNQUALIFIED!NONCOMPETENT?EASY ADMISSION?
THESE ARE ALL THE CONCERNED OF NEPAL GOVERNMENT? WHY THEY ARE SENDING SUCH?AND AFTER COMPLEING MEDICAL EDUCATION IN CHINA WHY THEY ARE GIVING LICENSE?WHY ARE NOT THEY IMPROVING SELECTING QUALIFIED AND SKILLFUL GRADUATES FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD?????
REGARDING GOVERNMENT SEATS AVAILABLE IN NEPAL ARE SATISFACTORY WHY THEY ARE SENDING STUDENTS IN OTHER ABROAD COUNTRIES?ITS NOT ONLY NEPAL........EVEN MANY STUDENTS FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES IN THIS WORLD ARE GETTING MEDICAL EDUCATION IN CHINA.
SO, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST,GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT ONLYMAKE GOOD RULES AND REGULATIONS BUT SHOLD ALSO APPLIED THOSE RULES AND REGULATION TO ALL NEPALESE FROM HUT OF THE VILLAGES TO THOSE NEAR KINGSWAY.
WHY NEPALESE STUDENTS AND GARDIANS PREFER TO BE MEDICAL DOCTORS?.IS THERE ANY UNIVERSITIES IN FAR WESTERN REGION OF NEPAL? sathi haru ho des yesto cha,quality ko kura sunda gajab laagchha .ahile dherai jaso nepalilai des ma saanti suraqa ra gas ,bas ,kapas ko badi jarurat cha,.ali aafno manasikata lai pani maathi uthau,des banau!!!!!hami nepali jata gaya pani kasai bhanda kamjor chhanau tara banayiyaka chhau! kamjor lai haath deu,maathi uthaau ra aafu swabhimani bani ghamand nagari aafu sang sanngai des pani banau taki hami nepali bhayaka ma hamra santanharu le garv garna sakun
des ma kati jana fraud harule kun kun chhetra mak k gari rakheka chhan???//tyo pani buzhau .kwak haru le des ma doctor bhaneRA k k garchan teta tira pani dhyan deau
ra asal ra kharb lai chutyau!! quality bhayakali rakhau na bhayakale fyakau na ki kunAi desko education system lai dosh deau.herau ,buzhau ,adhyan garau na ki aru lai aarop lagau.ekchoti aafu tyo thauma ubhira herau naki ghamand ra superior thanau.truth is truth but it is bitter. asal kaam garau aafu matrai hoina aru lai pani bato dekhau.kharab lai tiraskar garau !!!!! sahi kaam garera deslai aghadhi badhau, galat kaam nagarau ra garna pani nadiauIF i m wrong i m sorry
BUT REMEMBER, "EVERY PERSON IN THIS WORLD IS UNIQUE" | | |
By
Walrus
on
02-02-2008, 12:20 PM
| | Re: Argument Between Heath Minister & Medical Graduates from CHina
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Originally Posted by joshijagadish  QUALITY !!!!!QUALITY!!!!! | This whole thing is loud a bit. Quote:
Originally Posted by joshijagadish SUGGEST THE CONCERNED AND OTHER BACK BITERS TO THINK SERIOUSLY BEFORE GIVING SUCH COMMENTS AND AVOID SHOWING THAT THEY ARE SUPERIOR TO THEIR MEDICAL GRADUATES FROM CHINA. | That is the whole discussion here about. We are not back-biting but discussing openly why the minister made such foolish comment.
We are thinking and that's what we want to know. What does everyone else think.
Here, no one is showing they are superior but sincerely telling their opinion. Quote:
Originally Posted by joshijagadish I AGREED THAT THERE ARE SOME STUDENTS WHO LACK QUALITY IN MANY RESPECT AS THEIR COLLEAGUES HERE IN NEPAL BUT IT DOESN'T IMPLY TO ALL. |
I can disagree on what U said.
U said some lack quality. Do they? All of them completed their graduation and all of them passed their licensing exam then all are equally qualified.
Even those who have passed from Nepal, India, Bangladesh, Russia, and other countries are all not good. What we are discussing here are not individuals but a whole group. Quote:
Originally Posted by joshijagadish BEFORE GIVING SUCH INDESCENCY, I WOULD LIKE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE PATRIOTS ,NATION SERVERS AND GENIUS HAVE THEY KNOWN CHINESE EDUCATION IN THE WORLD? HAVE THEY HEARD OR SEEN THE CHINESE UNIVERSITIES AND THEIR QUALITY EDUCATION IN THIS ERA OF GLOBALIZATION ?HAVE THEY COMPETED WITH CHINESE NATION COUNTERPART?? | Yes, many of us have not seen Chinese universities except the photos. We are aware that Nepalese can never compete with them. I don't understand what has 'globalisation' got to do with but China is a super-power country with huge investment in medical field. Nepal will never reach that standard in near future or ever. We cannot afford to.
But, our quality of education is in no way less than theirs for the community we are trained to serve and even in global scenario. Our graduates are doing very well every where. But, we cannot compete with China.
We do not intend to disrespect Chinese education system in here.
Some of us have seen Chinese universities. I have always wondered about how they could. Just a graduate with few months of practice have gone as teacher to world-class universities in China to give classes. I do not understand how can they go and hope some body will throw light on that issue also here. The same doctors won't be accepted by any Nepali medical school as a teacher. But, we do not call ourself superior than the graduates from china. Quote:
Originally Posted by joshijagadish FAULT OF GOVERNMENTAND THOSE TOPMOST CONCERNED AUTHORITIES WHO THEMSELVES ARE UNQUALIFIED AND ARE BUSY IN THEIR PERSONAL MATTERS RATHER THAN COUNTRY'S AND GRASSROOT LEVEL NEPALESE CITIZENS AND THOSE WHO BELIEVED THAT THEY ARE SUPERIOR AND QUALIFIED THAN OTHER CHINESE COLLEAGUES ARE BOUNDED BY THEIR NARROWMINDEDNESS AND WORTHLESS MENTALITY. | For the conditions you have mentioned, if that really exists then that is really bad. Quote:
Originally Posted by joshijagadish ISN'T THERE ARE CHINESE GRADUATES WHO HAS EARNED NAME AND FAME ? | Yes, there are. So many of them. No doubt. I could have given U a list of them. But, I need help of everyone to come up with the list. Quote:
Originally Posted by joshijagadish FIRST OF ALL GOVERNMENT SHOULD KNOW WHY NEPALESE STUDENTS GO CHINA BY INVESTING SUCH HUGE MONEY?UNQUALIFIED!NONCOMPETENT?EASY ADMISSION?
THESE ARE ALL THE CONCERNED OF NEPAL GOVERNMENT? WHY THEY ARE SENDING SUCH?AND AFTER COMPLEING MEDICAL EDUCATION IN CHINA WHY THEY ARE GIVING LICENSE?WHY ARE NOT THEY IMPROVING SELECTING QUALIFIED AND SKILLFUL GRADUATES FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD????? | Government of Nepal is not sending them but the right way of saying it is 'government of Nepal is not stopping' any one who is seeking education in any part of the world.
Government of Nepal sends scholarship students who have competed well in open competition.
Again, government of Nepal is not just giving away licenses. There is a formal procedure for that. If someone who meets all the requirements and can pass the NMLE and applies for a license, then they are awarded the license to practice. Those who make it are all equals. That is what we are stressing here. Quote:
Originally Posted by joshijagadish REGARDING GOVERNMENT SEATS AVAILABLE IN NEPAL ARE SATISFACTORY WHY THEY ARE SENDING STUDENTS IN OTHER ABROAD COUNTRIES?ITS NOT ONLY NEPAL........EVEN MANY STUDENTS FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES IN THIS WORLD ARE GETTING MEDICAL EDUCATION IN CHINA. | Yes, the government seats available in Nepal are very good not just satisfactory. China and few other countries give Nepal scholarship seats and that is where Nepal Government sends the students not because the quality of education is better in those countries.
Yes, many other countries send their students to china. Sorry, Nepal government cannot stop them even if they want to. Quote:
Originally Posted by joshijagadish SO, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST,GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT ONLYMAKE GOOD RULES AND REGULATIONS BUT SHOLD ALSO APPLIED THOSE RULES AND REGULATION TO ALL NEPALESE FROM HUT OF THE VILLAGES TO THOSE NEAR KINGSWAY. |
Is there any rule that stops from studying in China that government has made and not applied? Quote:
Originally Posted by joshijagadish WHY NEPALESE STUDENTS AND GARDIANS PREFER TO BE MEDICAL DOCTORS?.IS THERE ANY UNIVERSITIES IN FAR WESTERN REGION OF NEPAL? | Not all Nepalese students prefer to be doctors. Just those who go into science stream with biology major prefer to be doctors. We see only them with us so we generalise saying that all students want to be medical doctors. There are also those who want to be engineers, artists, mathematicians, physicists, cricketer, wall painter, and what not.
There are not yet any medical college in far-west but Nepalgunj Medical college serves the population well. I heard that there are few medical colleges that have or will be getting permission to start. You will have to wait for some time. No body is sure how long.
The division of regions is controversial. Like, there are medical colleges in other regions too but it does not serve the whole population of the area. There is a medical school in Mid-west but those from Jomsom, Dolpa are not adequately served as you might have expected. Quote:
Originally Posted by joshijagadish sathi haru ho des yesto cha,quality ko kura sunda gajab laagchha .ahile dherai jaso nepalilai des ma saanti suraqa ra ''gas'' ,bas ,kapas ko badi jarurat cha,.ali aafno manasikata lai pani maathi uthau,des banau!!!!!hami nepali jata gaya pani kasai bhanda kamjor chhanau tara banayiyaka chhau! kamjor lai haath deu,maathi uthaau ra aafu swabhimani bani ghamand nagari aafu sang sanngai des pani banau taki hami nepali bhayaka ma hamra santanharu le garv garna sakun
des ma kati jana fraud harule kun kun chhetra mak k gari rakheka chhan???//tyo pani buzhau .kwak haru le des ma doctor bhaneRA k k garchan teta tira pani dhyan deau
ra asal ra kharb lai chutyau!! quality bhayakali rakhau na bhayakale fyakau na ki kunAi desko education system lai dosh deau.herau ,buzhau ,adhyan garau na ki aru lai aarop lagau.ekchoti aafu tyo thauma ubhira herau naki ghamand ra superior thanau.truth is truth but it is bitter. asal kaam garau aafu matrai hoina aru lai pani bato dekhau.kharab lai tiraskar garau !!!!! sahi kaam garera deslai aghadhi badhau, galat kaam nagarau ra garna pani nadiauIF i m wrong i m sorry
BUT REMEMBER, "EVERY PERSON IN THIS WORLD IS UNIQUE" | Ho sathi, timley bhaneyko yo sabai thikk ho. Sorry nabhanu. Yo sabai bhayo bhaney ta hamro desh ni kasto ramro hola. Sabai ko sapana ehi nai ho. Hamro chahana ehi nai ho. Esh mah dui matt nai chaina.
'Gas' ko kura ni ho. Katti din bho, line mah rakheyko, ailey samma dinna. Chaina, chaina matra bhancha. Gas bhayena bhaey k khaney, kasari khaney. Fukko chiura ra wai-wai misayera khaye matra ho.
Sabai juti desh banau.
This part is well said but this is little out of topic. May be you should start a new discussion with that. I am sure, everyone here will support you except some arajak, ugrawadi tatwa haru. | | | | | | Re: Argument Between Heath Minister & Medical Graduates from CHina
minister bhukdai garchha ni, dui din chair tattauchha, then after post is gone, road ma aunchha, he is not there permanently, aja yeuta le quality chhaina bhanchha, bholi yeuta le dherai quality chha bhanla re,quality chha bhanera hunne hoina, chhaina bhanera na hune hoinna, ministers aunchha janchhan, but its just that someone who is incharge of such a great position should not talk like street dogs, they should think and talk. Even if u are stupid, not to show to all can be intelligence
those who study hard, and works very hard, are good nomatter where they graduate from/ there can be some advantages or disadvantages, because the society where we learned and scenerio is not same.
Nepalese graduates have the skill and adoption to work in nepal's environment because they learned all their course in there,they have seen all the things of there. But for chinese graduates, they need sometime to adopt,and understand how things work there in Nepal. Also chinese students have technical exposure far better than neplese students, they know chinese language if they learned seriously, which have enlarged their scope some how, and many things. so good and bad exist everywhere.
THe only thing that matters is the country must have rules and regulations followed and applied to everyone,not just to those who do not have power and links. if things like this happen,those who has links and power do not need to follow rules,then competetion is not much worthful, and there can be frustation among others and bad things can happen.
NMLE is there to evaluate who is qualified to practise and who is not. and until we face NMLE every medical student have right to practise as intern or perintern.
so all those who are studying china, do not get frustated, by this news, but learn very very hard, till now i hope everyone have realised students who r studying in china have to work harder than those in nepal, because nepalese educated or non educated are brain washed with the feeling that chinese students do nto have quality, so study well and and learn as much as u can. Be man made by yourself, not by someones else. LIve and work with pride. | | | | | | Re: Argument Between Heath Minister & Medical Graduates from CHina
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Originally Posted by everyone have realised students who r studying in china have to work harder than those in nepal, because nepalese educated or non educated are brain washed with the feeling that chinese students do nto have quality, so study well and and learn as much as u can. [B Be man made by yourself, not by someones else. LIve and work with pride.[/b] | Agreed... But don't be disturbed with this news... Tomm one of u CHinese Graduates have to look after this Minister Sashi like Chinese Doctors from Gangalal Hospital are treating our PM right now. | | | | | | Re: Argument Between Heath Minister & Medical Graduates from CHina
 Did that minister ever went to school? What all politicians do is just bring their degree from Bihar and just fight for the seat in election. Ministers should first think what are they talking, then only comment on some other people. Who are they to talk about quality, on what basis are they making comments. If they don't want Doctors from china why do they give no objection letter at the first place.. If They really think Chinese doctors have no quality, why don't they arrange quality and cheap education in Nepal, or they just want us to forget about our future and join the political party or what?
On behalf of Doctors from china i would like to give all the ministers suggestion to think 10000000000000000 times before making any comments. No minister have any right to play with our career.
And as far as quality is concerned, it is personal asset of every individual,and above all, Nepal Medical Council is there to take check the quality among doctors .
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