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IMGs HAVE LOST LEGAL CHALLENGE AGAINST HOME OFFICE IMMIGRATION RULING - 10-02-2007, 11:44 AM

The Department of Health issued guidance stating that doctors with insufficient leave to enter/remain to complete the programme to which they are applying, should be considered as requiring a work permit.

This guidance was challenged through Judicial Review. The Judge handed down his judgment on 9 February and found the guidance to be lawful. The Department is carefully considering the implications of the judgment and further information will appear shortly, particularly in relation to recruitment to specialty training programme.

Further advice on the position of applicants to the current recruitment round will be issued shortly by the DoH. Please continue to check MTAS website for further information.

What does this mean to International Medical graduates (IMGs)?
This means
  1. the door has been shut for anyone planning to come to the UK for further his/ her career.
  2. even those who have HSMP visa and working will not be short-listed for future jobs as HSMP visa doesn't cover for whole length of training jobs.
  3. it may even affect those who are already in the consultant posts but with HSMP visa. What happens when their visa expires? Would the Trust have to
    readvertise or HSMP will be extended without any need to advertise the job? Only time will tell.
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Re: IMGs HAVE LOST LEGAL CHALLENGE AGAINST HOME OFFICE IMMIGRATION RULING - 10-02-2007, 07:18 PM

Thank you so much for this useful information. That means for Nepalese Medical graduate it has become impossible to continue further study in UK.

What is NDA doing or NDA views on this issue?

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Re: IMGs HAVE LOST LEGAL CHALLENGE AGAINST HOME OFFICE IMMIGRATION RULING - 11-02-2007, 02:10 AM

Thanks for your response. Of course, it is a very sad news for all the international medical graduates not only Nepalis. We, Nepalese doctors, make a very small proportion in the National Health System in the UK.

Thats why, to give a stronger voice and to have stronger say, we as NDA(UK) (so as other organisations in the UK), joined with BAPIO (British Associations of Physicians of Indian Origin) for legal battle. But unfortunately, we lost the legal battle.

We are considering legal review for appealing. Please visit BAPIO Action and NDA website for further details.


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Re: IMGs HAVE LOST LEGAL CHALLENGE AGAINST HOME OFFICE IMMIGRATION RULING - 13-02-2007, 06:27 AM

This is, of course, a very sad news for the doctors already working in UK and those who are planning to lead career in UK.
There are rumors that most of the International Medical graduates working in UK are planning go leave for US. Is this a rumor linked to the recent verdict or just rumor?
Anyway, this is a harsh decision.

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Re: IMGs HAVE LOST LEGAL CHALLENGE AGAINST HOME OFFICE IMMIGRATION RULING - 13-02-2007, 02:03 PM

Thanks for your message and query, Mati. There has been exodus of IMGs to USA and especially to Australia since they opened the door to the foreign medical graduates. That holds true not only for South Asians but also British graduates. Most are migrating to Australia mainly because of civilised working hours and conditions there compared to the UK and USA.

I do not have any figures to confirm this. However this is what I have been hearing. However, on another note, significant proportion of IMGs are still in the UK and waiting for appeal against the verdict in order to overturn the court decision.


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Re: IMGs HAVE LOST LEGAL CHALLENGE AGAINST HOME OFFICE IMMIGRATION RULING - 14-02-2007, 06:10 AM

Thank You Dr Anil for the information,

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Most are migrating to Australia mainly because of civilised working hours and conditions there compared to the UK and USA.
It is mentioned that we do not have opportunities as compared to USA and UK. Medical Drs do not have previlege of having visa renewal and permanent residence as people from other field have and provision of further study etc. I was told it is just a job we get out there. Is this true Dr Anil. If so only consultants will have options because young graduates will have to think (primarily) about their career/future study.
Anyway, I understood Australia is one of the options.

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Re: IMGs HAVE LOST LEGAL CHALLENGE AGAINST HOME OFFICE IMMIGRATION RULING - 14-02-2007, 06:25 AM

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Most are migrating to Australia mainly because of civilised working hours and conditions there compared to the UK and USA.
I talked to some of my seniors and learnt that Australia is just for getting job, not for doing residency or PG.

If this is the case I don't see any reason to go to Australia sepcially for graduates. If the moto is to live outside Nepal than its fine or else life would be stopped there. And it takes long time to enter into the further study.

For the graduates, wouldn't it be best to go for USMLE or come back to Nepal, prepare and do residency instead?
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Re: IMGs HAVE LOST LEGAL CHALLENGE AGAINST HOME OFFICE IMMIGRATION RULING - 14-02-2007, 06:52 AM

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I talked to some of my seniors and learnt that Australia is just for getting job, not for doing residency or PG
So far as I know, they are facilitating steps to allow OTD to work as interns for a year, which is paid and is required to get resident status, and has "increased" options for continuing with Residency. For which OTD must seek Permanent Resident Status first. They have increased the options but not completely opened, which means that it is very competitive.


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UK penalises more Indians than other docs - 23-02-2007, 09:03 PM

Recently I was going through Times of India and found this news -

UK penalises more Indians than other docs

LONDON: Nearly 60 per cent of all doctors disciplined by the General Medical Council (GMC) belong to Britain's ethnic minority communities and one in three doctors erased from the GMC register are from India, The Times of India can reveal.

The rate of penalties handed out in Britain to Indian and ethnic minority doctors contrasts with their actual numbers – Indians account for just 25,000 of the 220,000 doctors registered with the GMC, only 148,000 of whom are in active practice.

Leading medical practitioners told TOI that the disproportionate punishment of Indian and ethnic minority doctors appeared to suggest that "white doctors' misdemeanours are given less weight". They said there could be a multitude of reasons ethnic doctors are looked at more harshly, not least "institutional racism, system failure or something about overseas doctors themselves, which could include cultural differences".

The disproportionate rise in numbers of Indian and ethnic minority doctors formally investigated by the GMC has been tracked over the years by authoritative bodies such as the UK's National Audit Office, the National Health Service's National Patients Safety Agency (NPSA) and the GMC itself in a report prepared for it by Isobel Allen, a highly-respected professor emeritus of health and social policy.

Dr Umesh Prabhu, a board member of the UK-wide patients safety agency told TOI that he gets an average of four to six ethnic minority doctors applying to him for help every month because they face a formal investigation by the GMC.

"Just last week I had six Indian doctors coming to me," he said.

Prabhu pointed out that 10 years ago, the National Audit Office concluded in a disturbing report that the NHS was spending a whopping £ 46 million every year on suspended staff and 36 per cent of all suspended consultants (senior doctors) belonged to the ethnic minorities even though they make up just 16 per cent of all consultants in the country overall.

The report, he said also found that if an ethnic minority doctor won his GMC case, he is far less likely to be reinstated.

At least 46 Indians have appeared before the GMC in the past two years, Prabhu said, and "at least 30 per cent of these cases could have been dealt with locally rather than being forced to face formal disciplinary proceedings".

According to Prabhu, GMC president Graham Cattle admitted last December that Indians and ethnic minority doctors had faced disproportionate levels of disciplinary hearings in the last decade, ie two-thirds of the estimated 500 doctors who appear before the GMC.

Medical experts, including Prabhu, say the apparent reason more Indian and ethnic minority doctors are formally investigated compared to whites is "they are less well-supported by their local health trusts (which run hospitals)."

According to sources, the local health trusts "differential" view of white and ethnic minority doctors is clear from shocking cases such as that of a white local graduate who forged her consultant's signature on a certificate but was, contrary to GMC rules, dealt with informally.

In contrast, said sources, an Indian doctor recently accused of hitting a patient, was formally told it was a GMC matter even though the case could have been investigated locally.

Allegations that Britain's medical regulatory authorities use a differential approach to white and ethnic minority doctors come less than a fortnight after Indian doctors lost their seven-month-old legal challenge to the British government to force it to treat non-European Union medics in the UK "on a par and equally" with Europeans with respect to jobs and training.



Is britain going down in terms of racism, what is going on we everytime talk that we are in the 21st centuary and as the days passed by people are entering old system of thought talking about racism, religion and all nonsense.
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