Medical students mislabeled as Chinese-russian-australian medical graduates

[Kanchan Dahal]

First of all we are from nepal, which means we were born in different parts of nepal, grew in the prevailing conditions of nepal and know what is nepal and what costs to become nepali. Whether they are rumors or reality talking or current practices in hospitals or nepal medical council and even health ministry of nepal, nepalese medical students enrolled in or graduated from china-russia-australia are catagorised in a new group and given a label (unethical in professional medicine practice). Regarding medical graduate from any national or international context, simply as a fellowship to work for whole country might be a suitable designation for all the medical graduates despite their background of education. Ministry of health and respected senior doctors constituting the associations of medical practices in nepal are requested for designating a system of common fellowship throughout the country rather than mislabelling us, being the students from one of the above mentioned countries, however, nepali as a nationality.
Some of the very senior members from ministry of health, nepal and nepal medical council have pointed out the disease pattern found in China-russia-australia are not similar to that of Nepal. Therefore, students after graduating from medical institutions from these countries have to work more one year to get recognition from the council or ministry. Not only this, there has been rumor that clinical internships will not be allowed in government hopsitals of Nepal.Most important thing in medical education is learning the way to solve the problems and find the cure for new diseases. Ministry of health and nepal medical council should come out from their traditional mentality that what we rote like parrots for five years in medical institutions will solve all the problems . Our senior doctors were medical students and they are aware that what means for most of the nepalese families to wait for one person to become graduate and earn bread. Besides these practical realities of life, ministry of health, nepal medical council and senior doctors of nepal understand the fact why all the hospitals (government/private) in the cities are heaven for professionals and why there are no any professionals in remote areas. Ministry of health and nepal medical council, being the supreme bodies of health system of nepal have not been able to convince the senior health professionals to seek the work in remote areas of nepal, stop the practices of fake doctors, but they have been harrassing the sentiments of fresh medical graduates instead of encouraging and creating environment for equal co-existence. If the internship are not allowed in government hospitals, then is this a new policy of government to suck out economy of fresh medical graduates by showing the alternative of private hospitals? Government hospitals do not have enough manpower. This is practical reality of Nepal. Ministry of health and nepal medical council are aware that practice of medicine is not ony a work/service, but also a life long education. By stating that Government hospitals are only for service/work, governement itself is cutting the line of education and academic pursuit in field of medicine in nepal.
We,nepalese,medical students/graduates from medical universities, all around the world request ministry of health, nepal, nepal medical council and all the professionals from current practices in nepal to encourage the healthy practical rules and regulations, support for the fresh graduates to fight the diseases of Nepal.

[Psoas Major]

very good reality u've focussed kanchan ..what nepal medical council /MOH will get by banning us to do internship in their hospitals????? in fact they will loose the manpower in health sector ..decision makers should have to wide open their eyes for future also ...

[sashank]

really nice post.thanx a lot kanchan.
its really a sad condition right now in nepal for the fresh graduates.
i think its all coz the seniors think they r the best.yup we r fresh man n need time to stand to the expectation so why dont they understand this fact?

[RAAZ]

decision makers should have to wide open their eyes for future also

Well, if Nepal had good decision makers, it wouldn't be as it is today.

[flirt]

Medicine is a profession of helping the sick, and if you have determination to really help them then why other wanna hinder. We all students become eligible to enter this pre-profession ( as we are studying) only after finishing so called 12 years study. No body has entered without passing that. We students know how hard we tried to join this profession. We know why we came to foreign land to study (everyone has their own story). There are rumors that china/russia/others doesn't match with nepalese curriculum or credit hours. Are they actually know the facts? Do they have the sufficient ground to point out? Or they are just deciding by theoritically on their philosophy.
Well we are not different from our nepalese medical students. We studied the same school/certificate level/higher secondary as they do. They are lucky to get seat there in some hundreds, but I wanna question what the students do when there are thousands who want such seat? Can the government/any semigovernment/private provide? Ok if not schlorship , can they provide private? The tution fee is not too much and every student studying abroad can bear that tution fee. I feel ashamed to say that we are paying much more than our own motherland here in unknown world.
Anyway about our course we are not different form our nepalese student friends. They also study the same book that we study. We have all the facility that they have. Plus we have one more exprience of bilingual study. Some might think that we study on different person with different geographic places. But what is surprising, foreign land is of course different from motherland. Whether china/russia/america/nepal humans are humans. They all have same anatomic structure and a study in human is universal everywhere. Its just that some are let studied and some have to study by themselves in context to place and people. (Remember everthing is not taught by teacher). We study not only the foreign people and their disease but also the disease related to Nepalese. So all can guess that how hard we are trying to reach our goal here. Of course there is Nepal medical council license examination to check our capacity. We also are taking the same exam as the nepalese medical graduate do. So why there is discrimination for foreign students from china/russia/others ? Nepalese should be glad that their sons/friends/brothers/sisters came back after learning and experiencing new things, new developments which is quite benificial in the advancement of Health and life quality.
Flirt (one of thousands studying abroad)

[Love Nepal]

This issue is a really serious one and is getting its due attention in xenomed which is quite commendable.I would also like to share my view on this.

Seeing this problem in a historical perspective,all the old doctors who laid the foundation of medicine in this country were trained abroad.And mostly in russia.From Dr.Bhagwan Koirala to many many others,then why is this thing troubling people now?This whole issue started when the medical council announced that they wont let those people who studied in russia without doing +2, practice in Nepal.They fought in the court and won and are practicing now.
But that issue divided the medical fraternity here and it was helped by the fact that some of the graduates really had poor knowledge of medicine,please dont mind my words,i have nothing against anyone,i know most of them and have worked with them and hence i know it.In the mean time they were working with people who passed out from Bangladesh,Nepal who seemed better.Many of the russian grads(as interns) i worked with, were absent most of the times may be because they felt bad as the seniors compared them with other students which is really not good and hence were lagging behind more and more.
I felt that there were faults in two places.One Drs should not have expected foreign grads to be immediately well versed in nepali conditions and english books.The other problem was there were some drs who did not study at all during their medical school and defamed their whole lot.One of the interns in my unit used to say with us "I spent 6 yrs in russia drinking vodka and ba**ing russian girls".This is how some guys projected themselves and seemed to be proud of it.
There were russian grads who wanted to learn more.I had friends who said it was difficult to comprehend to them because they know so little in english so they used to study most of the times.They used to ask us which books to follow and all that and many of them made significant progress.There was one guy in surgery who mastered bailey and love and even the consultants were scared to ask questions to him.But sadly that was not the case for the majority.

I have to say,that batch gave a bad name to russian grads,i have not worked with recent graduates so i cannot say anything about them.But
whatever the reason generalization never works,each individual is different and hence are his/her capabilities.

Medical council is for all the Drs of this country regardless of where he/she studied so the medical council should not be biased and try create more learning oppertunities for the foreign grads so that they can be aquainted with the conditions here.

Lastly i just want to say to all the foreign graduate friends that,rather than blaming anyone else,please study hard,study english books(if u are not doing it already) and show your knowledge in the rounds .Get seats in the post grad entrance exams(TUTH,BPKIHS),do well in USMLE or any other competitive exam,thats the best way to answer the critics.Friends in Xenomed are there to help you if need be.We are all Nepalese and then drs and then only graduates from different countries.Our goal is same(to serve our people) and the path is same,so prepare yourselves better because you have this language barrier to break and make those cynical seniors praise you in the future.Best of luck friends.

[de.malady]

Originally Posted by love nepal

whatever the reason generalization never works,each individual is different and hence are his/her capabilities.
Lastly i just want to say to all the foreign graduate friends that,rather than blaming anyone else,please study hard,study english books(if u are not doing it already) and show your knowledge in the rounds .Get seats in the post grad entrance exams(TUTH,BPKIHS),do well in USMLE or any other competitive exam,thats the best way to answer the critics.Friends in Xenomed are there to help you if need be.We are all Nepalese and then drs and then only graduates from different countries.Our goal is same(to serve our people) and the path is same,so prepare yourselves better because you have this language barrier to break and make those cynical seniors praise you in the future.Best of luck friends.

thankyouvrymuch -love nepal- for such a stronground of your clear thoughts out of your own personal involvemnt with some foreign grads of past..
iam really thinkin that if some members of -NMC- & -NHM- get access to such thoughts here..

[Pal]

Dear Friends,
Keep posting your opinion, may be one day when many views appear we can forward the link of this thread to the concern authority to let them know our prospective.

[Kanchan Dahal]

Thank You all friends/seniors for appreciating and acknowledging the facts as well as for pointing out more and guiding nepalese medical graduates from foreign lands. That means lot to us as students of medicine.
We should openly discuss our issues in this forum, which is the only way to clear misunderstandings among the colleagues studying medicine in nepal, senior doctors and other well wishers. Hiding the discussion topic will not provide solution to anything and our communications will be just underground.

[dipendra]

hey kanchan
it was nice to know your thoughts on the mislabellin of the gov to the foreign students n bring it forth.....there are other rules drafted by the ministry regarding the internship, services by the students studyin in scholarships n categorization of the students really seems very bizarre .....hope all these will change with the change of the gov which has no vision n abilities to formulate right plans n policies .....hope u all guys wont be tagged by all these nuisances ......let our finger crossed

dipendra
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