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| Nepal develops more effective drug for typhoid Anil Tuladhar
16-07-2007
| | Above is the message which is being circulated around the world regarding the trial of Gatifloxacin on 390 typhoid patients in Patan Hospital by a team of our Nepali Doctors.
But I am horrified to read about Gatifloxacin and its side effects. This drug was withdrawn from the USA... | | | | | | Re: Nepal develops more effective drug for typhoid We didn't stop the trail. It was independent DATA Safety Monitoring board which advised us to stop the trial. They figured out following two points
achievment of clinical significance before target sample size
adverse effents (Mortality) in cefixime arm.
I am really saddened that not a single reader has brought up the issue that there was a MORTALITY in cefixime group. One of the reason why trial was stopped.
To the question of not measuring blood glucose level. The evidence before NEJM article in 2006 regarding dysglycemia was meagre (few case reports). By the time the NEJM article got published, the trial was already over and there was no point doing blood sugar level because most of the patients in the study had already compeleted six month follow up too. However , none of the followed up patients in gatifloxacin arm got admitted as they say gatifloxacin has serious dysglycemia requiring hospitalization.
We have 1000 patients' prospective data in which gatifloxacin is used (Nepal and Veit Nam combined) and none of them have dysglycemia which will be hopefully published soon.
Every one is focussing on gatifloxacin. I agree there are many questions to be answered regarding gatifloxacin. Another important hit of this study is showing the failure of cefixime which many of trust to work and have knee jerk reflex of prescribing it to the typhoid patients and the WHO still continues to recommend it. We got about 37.2% failure rate!!!!
It is very sensible to be concerned about clinical trail being done in countries like Nepal. However, Britol Mayer Squib or any other companies had no role whatsoever in conduct, design, interpretation and the conclusions of the study. It was funded by the Welcome Trust.
To the question of trial being done in the UK, whereelse would you expect to do trail of typhoid ? UK doesn't have very many typhoid patients to do a trail neither does the US. In the US there are 400 typhoid patients in a year seen in travellers only. It is our disease, we have the disease , we need the research , we need newer treatment as other flouroquinolones are failing. We didn't do this study to advocate on behalf of gatifloxacin. We were not compensated by the drug company for doing research either. There are few people who try to do greater good, sacrificing their own time and energy expecting that their work will fruit the help to many people around them need.
After this issue of dyglycemia came up, we have been following up patients treated with gatifloxacin with blood sugar level (another trail on the way), we didn't find any dysglycemia in any of the patients. We are equally concerned as you all are about the safety of the patients. If we were not, we would have continued the trail because stopping of trail is not considered favourable for the researchers.
I would love to answer any of the questions put forth if the questions are genuine.
About the drug being registered in the NEpal, we registered the drug in Department of Drug Administration for the trial purpose. It is upto DDA to approve it or not for commercial use. It is approved and widely used in INDIA and other countries for other purposes.
Anil Pandit, MD
Maryland General Hospital
University of Maryland Medical System
Baltimore, Maryland
USA | |
Last edited by anilpandit : 26-07-2007 at 12:40 PM.
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By
JNUS
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23-07-2007, 09:23 AM
| | Re: Nepal develops more effective drug for typhoid OVERALL WHAT WE WANT IS BETTER FOR HUMANKIND. SO, WE ALL ARE HERE FOR DISCUSSION SO THAT WE COULD LEARN SOMETHING FROM OUR SENIORS, DISCUSS THE MATTERS AND ENFORCE OURSELVES FOR THE QUALITY.
Though Most of my quires were underlooked by the author, i am happy that he is here for discussion.
Still... want to ask many things, but for the timebeing, Is this dysglycemia due to GATI is only during the treatment course ? or if somebody has , then is it lifelong ? | | | | | | Please visit PLos One site | | |
By
Walrus
on
23-07-2007, 09:59 PM
| | Re: Nepal develops more effective drug for typhoid Quote:
Originally Posted by rbineeta After reading the link mentioned in Dr Tuladhar's thread I can not but feel there is something authors of this paper have chosen not to disclose as to why trial was prematurely terminated for 'safety' reason. If Gati was too good then why do you say it was terminated for safety reason. Or does it imply that Cefixime is unsafe and it license should be withdrawn for use in Typhoid.
May be I am not as clever as these authors are that I can not get my head round this.
The unfortunate gentleman who died in cefixime group entered in trial after 10 days of illness !!! One can argue that the outcome would not have been different even if he was in the Gati group.
I want to ask Oxford Reasearch Council -- How did they find it ethical to approve study of a drug which is not licensed in the UK was withdrawn from the European market.
Finally, Dr Pandit just because you were the first author and hence prepared to take Gati if you get ( God forbid) typhoid in Maryland does not mean that poor defenseless Nepalese should be exposed to its risks. Sometimes KAG REALLY TAKES KAN AWAY | Quote:
Originally Posted by anilpandit I am really saddened that not a single reader has brought up the issue that there was a MORTALITY in cefixime group. One of the reason why trial was stopped.
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There are few people who try to do greater good, sacrificing their own time and energy expecting that their work will fruit the help to many people around them need. | Have not read your article but will do as soon as I find time. But, reading your last reply, it is saddening to see a person 'who made such a big sacrifice for people around him' saddened when mortality issue was not addressed. I had a look around and found that Dr. AP need not be so sad. Rbeeneta had already brought up the issue.
Please answer her too. We will be grateful to you for that | | |
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Angel
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24-07-2007, 09:10 PM
| | Update from PloS ONE You can view the article from the followin link PLoS ONE: An Open Randomized Comparison of Gatifloxacin versus Cefixime for the Treatment of Uncomplicated Enteric Fever
You can view the comment on the article from the followin link PLoS ONE : Publishing science, accelerating research
Ongoing discussion:- Quote: |
Originally Posted by draniltuladhar I read with interest an article published on PloS online journal on 27th June 2007. It is a very interesting article and if proven without a side-effect Gatifloxacin could be a wonder drug for a developing country like Nepal.
However, more I read about Gatifloxacin, more worried I became. This is a drug which has been on “Black Box” warning in USA, not licensed in the UK and withdrawn from European Market for at least few years for its life-threatening side effects like dysglycaemia and 10% mortality in one of the Canadian study in elderly group and there is no concrete evidence to suggest that it is neither safe nor harmful in younger adults including children. I was amazed to see that the investigators didn’t even look into the blood sugar on this trial, the very reason why Gatifloxacin came to disrepute. I would have thought the result then would have either been more robust or otherwise in support of Gatifloxacin. The authors tried in their defence of omitting blood sugar level by quoting another study involving children.(Pichichero ME, Arguedas A, Dagan R, Sher L, Saez-Lorens X, et al. (2005) Safety and efficacy of gatifloxacin therapy for children with recurrent acute otitis media (AOM) and/or AOM treatment failure. Clin Infect Dis 41: 470–478.) The safety data in this study is hardly enough to conclude that Gatifloxacin is safe. |
Response by Nicholas White, Data and safety monitorin committee of this research Quote: |
Originally Posted by NJWhite I was a member of the data and safety monitoring committee for this trial. It is important to know that this trial was started well before any information on gatifloxacin and blood glucose control was in the public domain. As soon as the Canadian study was published we reconsidered the risks and benefits of gatifloxacin in this trial (even though it had nearly finished). We concluded that we could not extrapolate the findings from an elderly Canadian population in whom dysglycaemia would be frequent, to a largely young and previously fit Nepali population. Obviously future studies should include increased vigilance for hypoglycaemia or hyperglycaemia to assess the risk if any. Meanwhile the investigators have shown that gatifloxacin is remarkably effective, and is well tolerated, and is thus an important advance in the treatment of quinolone resistant typhoid fever -a potentially life threatening disease. The benfits are thus established, and any potential risks must be balanced against these. | Quote: |
Originally Posted by draniltuladhar Thanks for Prof. White’s reply. There is no doubt that this study has proven that Gatifloxacin is efficacious in decreasing the days of defervescence with decreased relapsed rate.
However, I believe it is premature to conclude its efficacy without giving attention to its potentially fatal dysglycaemic side effects. I completely agree that the Canadian study was published only after the termination of this study in question. But there have been number of other studies highlighting this particular side effect of Gatifloxacin irrespective of blood glucose status of the patients. Hence, authors should have at least mentioned about this potential side effect in their abstract (since the article was submitted for publication almost a year after the Canadian study was published).
I am bringing this to everyone’s attention repeatedly because once the drug is approved, they are unscrupulously available over the counter in Nepal and one doesn’t need prescription to buy these drugs. Most of the local pharmacists themselves prescribe these drugs to the patients without any sort of monitoring system in place. In short, I don’t know about Vietnam and Thailand, once approved there are no stringent measures in place to monitor the drug usage and its side effects in Nepal.
Your study population was very well followed and the complications were picked up and dealt with early by the health workers. But this is not the true reflection of what happens with the patients on day to day basis. In developing country like Nepal, as it is, enteric fever is potentially fatal disease, if there is not going to be any robust stringent measures to monitor these patients of this potentially fatal side effect, it will be impossible to ascertain the cause of death in these patients.
Hence, we need to have robust trial confirming that dysglycaemic side effects of Gatifloxacin are common only in elderly patients and not in younger population before showing a green light to Gatifloxacin. It is premature to conclude that we should prefer Gatifloxacin with unproven potentially fatal side effects, to other drugs which have known minor side effects.
For every approved indication for Gatifloxacin, there are safer, equally effective, and less costly alternatives. In comparison with other recent experiences regarding adverse drug effects, this choice should not be a difficult one for physicians, patients, regulators, and manufacturers.
Lastly, I would like to hear from either authors or readers, whether there are any trials looking into this particular side effect of Gatifloxacin for its other indications in the developed world (I stress here not developing countries) following the Canadian study. That will be very interesting to see. | | | | | | | Re: Nepal develops more effective drug for typhoid Thanks Angel for posting my reply to Prof. White on this thread before I could post it here. Quote:
Originally Posted by JNUS [b] Is this dysglycemia due to GATI is only during the treatment course ? or if somebody has , then is it lifelong ? | The evidence available so far suggests that dysglycaemic effects are seen during the treatment and for first few weeks of treatment.
Reference:
Frothingham R. Glucose homeostasis abnormalities associated with the use of gatifloxacin. CID 2005; 41: 1269-76.
Zvonar R. Gatifloxacin induced dysglycemia. Am J Health Syst Pharm 2006; 63:2087-92. | |
Last edited by Anil Tuladhar : 25-07-2007 at 11:21 AM.
| | | | Re: Nepal develops more effective drug for typhoid I have been following the debate and discussion about Gatifloxacin trail for Enteric fever in Patan, Nepal. At a face value, the article gives an impression of having a breakthrough in the management of Enteric Fever by this trial. I sincerely hope that this will prove to be far superior to other drugs currently available. However, there are many questions raised in this forum which have not been clarified and satisfactorily answered. Many people have contributed in this forum, but the bulk of discussion seems to be between Dr Anil Tuladhar (UK), and two authors: Dr Basnyat and Dr Pandit. Among others rbineeta (UK) has also raised some interesting points. As I am also working in UK, I would like to emphasize that this debate is not between the authors and some Nepalese doctors in the UK. The issues are not only about the results and outcomes, but they are also about how the trail is conducted. Regarding dysglycemia, I still struggle to understand why the investigators were so happy that they didn’t feel that blood glucose monitoring was warranted in these patients. I feel, although these patients were not diabetic, such an important side effect highlighted in the literature with severe consequences, should have been monitored. The question raised by Dr Pandit regarding one mortality in Cefixime group is already mentioned by rbineeta in the discussion.There are few more authors/investigators in this study, who are actually from UK. One author has much wider association with Vietnam, Oxford, and Manchester and also with Wellcome Trust. It would also be useful to read their views on Gatifloxacin, its safety, the limitations put on their marketing and use in the West. You may also be interested to read the press release by Wellcome Trust on 27 June 2007. http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTX038509.html Let’s not forget that any drug or intervention carries risk of side effects and complications. I hope that the decision of using any drug should be based on risk/benefit ratio, efficacy, and availability of particular drugs, and their safety record. I will be only too pleased to see if Gatifloxacin meets these criteria and can save many lives. But we need a robust evidence before we draw any firm conclusions. Finally, I am very pleased that so much of interest has been generated in this scientific discussion and I would like to thank everyone for their contribution in this healthy debate. | | | | | | Re: Nepal develops more effective drug for typhoid Following Dr Acharya's posting, I happened to surf Wellcome Trust website.
It is very interesting to see that one of the authors is the director of the Vietnam Unit and the replier to my posting in PLoS website is the director of the Southeast Asia Unit of Wellcome Trust.
You may recall that this study was funded by the Wellcome Trust.
Now, I will leave this to the readers to decide whether this amounts to Professional Conflict of Interest, which is not declared and repeatedly refuted by the Principal Investigators.
Read attached file which was published in the BMJ. Visit following section of PLoS website on "Conflict of Interest" too. | |
Last edited by Anil Tuladhar : 26-07-2007 at 11:36 AM.
| | | | Re: Nepal develops more effective drug for typhoid I request readers to give input in the PLoS one website so that they can be formally addressed.
Anil Pandit | |
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By
Walrus
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29-07-2007, 07:25 PM
| | Re: Nepal develops more effective drug for typhoid Has the discussion on the topic ended or has it been abandonded?
Thank you Dr. Anil Tuladhar for bringing to our attention to this topic and to the authors of the research for their answers but still, there are many issues that have not been adequately answered.
I have been following the discussion in PLoS One Website too but I cannot see answers to Dr. Tuladhar's queries. Or, am I looking at wrong site? Dr. Tuladhar was only once answered by NJ White but on further questioning, neither NJ White nor the authors posted any replies.
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