Pre-Internship seems to be troublesome for us - Lets discuss for the solution...

[ashish]

Internship row snags China MBBS



BY SANGEETA RIJAL
KATHMANDU, Feb 6 - About 400 students who completed their four-year MBBS course in 2007 in China are facing an uncertain future because of the government's abrupt policy change on pre-internship, the 48-week practical course done by medical student after completing their theoretical training.
In May 2007, the government took a decision prohibiting students switching from a medical college abroad to a hospital in Nepal for their pre-internship.
On Tuesday, the Ministry of Health and Population issued a notice warning hospitals in the country not to take any new foreign MBBS graduate for pre-internship.
The 400 students in question did their MBBS in China under self-financing. The teaching medium was English, which means they cannot do their pre-internship in China.
To do pre-internship in China, the students should have done the four-year MBBS course in Chinese.
"Even if in an exceptional case a student who studied the MBBS in English is allowed to do pre-internship in China, it becomes very difficult because of the language barrier," says R K Manandhar, guardian of one of the China-trained medical students.
Those who go to China under government fellowships do a one-year Chinese language course before starting on their MBBS. Such students do the pre-internship in China itself.
Before the May 2007 decision, the government was allowing students who did their MBBS abroad to do pre-internships in Nepal.
The policy change has shattered the dreams of people like Gopal Mishra, who sold property in Kathmandu to fulfill his daughter's wish to become a doctor.
"She passed the entrance examination at Kathmandu Medical College in second position. But then, it would have been expensive [to study medicine] here, and the frequent strikes were also worrisome," says Mishra, whose daughter Bijaya completed her MBBS from Tianjin Medical University in Beijing.
Bijaya was a topper at the University. Today, Bijaya has nowhere to go to do her pre-internship.
Pushpa Ratna Shakya, coordinator of the Nepal-China National Doctors' Parents' Association, said that it would be fair to apply the new policy in the case of students who went to China after the government's decision. "But how can the government not allow students, who went abroad before that decision was taken, to do their pre-internships here?" Shakya questioned.
Parents of the 400 students have been protesting in front of the Health Ministry for the past one week demanding that the government allow their children to do pre-internship courses in Nepal.
In Tuesday's statement, the Health Ministry said that according to international norms, students have to do their pre-internships in the same college where they did their four-year MBBS, as the pre-internship is part of the MBBS program.
Students doing pre-internships in hospitals here after doing their MBBS courses abroad are flouting provisions of the Nepal Medical Council, said the statement.
The ministry has warned all government hospitals not to allow MBBS students to practice medicine under pre-internship unless and until they complete their MBBS program at the medical college they studied in. However, the ministry has said that for just once the government would allow students who are already in government hospitals to do their pre-intership, to complete their course.
excerpts taken from kantipur dated feb 6 '08

[johnnash1]

hey it is infact not about internship but is about preinternhip

[kashish]

this is not good,
to all pre-interns,and even to anyone.
government cannot make such decision,
i request every neplese students studying in china,bangladeh,and russian
to unite against it.

let not make government act against spirit of young generation docs,,,,,,,
everyone let's unite for good

i ask,GAURAB,BRAIN STORM,EVOLUTION and every students ,to act against it,
if we unite we can make it,

let's do a protest for this decision.
u can mail me at: k-ashish@live.com

[hellzie]

Originally Posted by johnnash1

hey it is infact not about internship but is about preinternhip

nope dude. it's abt d internship n d preinternship.d govy has now decided tht they will now not allow d students frm china to continue their internship at nepal. i wonder if they take these actions then why cant they just stop sending students to china frm now on . we students then would apply sumwhe else. they just take all these stupid decisions wasting our time n everything

[johnnash1]

Originally Posted by hellzie

nope dude. it's abt d internship n d preinternship.d govy has now decided tht they will now not allow d students frm china to continue their internship at nepal. i wonder if they take these actions then why cant they just stop sending students to china frm now on . we students then would apply sumwhe else. they just take all these stupid decisions wasting our time n everything

nope dude ,, its just about preinternship not about internship.To my knowledge students from Russia and China are the only students from abroad who are allowed to do internship in Nepal.Internship in Nepal is a "must do" for them.
And yes, I do agree with u about everything else you have mentioned.Let us unite for what is right ....

[brainoff]

Originally Posted by kashish

this is not good,
to all pre-interns,and even to anyone.
government cannot make such decision,
i request every neplese students studying in china,bangladeh,and russian
to unite against it.

let not make government act against spirit of young generation docs,,,,,,,
everyone let's unite for good

i ask,GAURAB,BRAIN STORM,EVOLUTION and every students ,to act against it,
if we unite we can make it,

let's do a protest for this decision.
u can mail me at: k-ashish@live.com

Yes kashish is 100 n 1000% correct we the student are the only victim made by our government...as they go on changing the rules and regulations....why don't they think such things before happening..they always do after everything happens...such as if they want to initiate a new rule they have to choose the appropriate period and the situation as they can stop the students coming here or else they can pre-inform them abt the rules of MOH.......these are the perfect official work that must be done by the personal at the high level...but instead they are being rude to us by such decision which will deff effect our life............and they have no rights to play with our future.....so we have to unite together against such decision and make the government think twice on their decision lets unite together..............Brainoff

[hellzie]

Originally Posted by johnnash1

nope dude ,, its just about preinternship not about internship.To my knowledge students from Russia and China are the only students from abroad who are allowed to do internship in Nepal.Internship in Nepal is a "must do" for them.
And yes, I do agree with u about everything else you have mentioned.Let us unite for what is right ....

what if i say m facing tht particular prob rite now n i completed my mbbs frm china n the govt is not allowin us to continue our internship ?

[kashish]

hey ,hellzie,
we need to unite,i want all the interns and pre interns to get united for this.
and act for it,you can ask ur frens and classmates for it,we everyone well do pre-intern and intern in nepal and in gov hospital please fren.i want everone to write their e-mail addresss here like pradeep did also you can mail me at:
k-ashish@live, com and post ur views comments regarding it:
so that we can communicate with each other effectively and make an union for protest.

we are not the terrorist to afraid with anyone,we are asking our right.
while government had made the provision to do our pre-intern in nepal.
issuing no objection letter and other documents.but what's wrong now?they have started to make different law,which are against our favour,and also against spirit of medical graduates and students.

if it is to be done then they woild have make this provision before coming here,
then if we would like we would have come here.
if we don't do now,we will suffer throughout life,since we wil remain in same field for life long we have to face unwanted and unconstutional government deision,throughout our life even if we are,INTERN,and MO.

i have heard that government has stopped to take interns in nepal gov hospital,
if they stop taking for pre-intern they will stop intern too when we go in intern,
and what's the need of taking competition for INTERNSHIP ,it's right of everyone.
there are NMC EXAM,and LOKSEWA AAYOG,if we want to face,they are tuff too.

we should act in unity for these,and i am sure our senior INTERNS and DOCTORS
our parents,guardians who are protesting for us will support us in everyway.



let's stand in unity and face this problem together.

toghther we stand,divided we fall let's make an unity
and work out

fren for all
kas

[Moderator]

Originally Posted by johnnash1

hey it is infact not about internship but is about preinternhip

Actually the journalist doesn't know the difference between internship and pre-internship. She is talking all about pre-internship but on the other the title contains the word - Internship.

Title has been corrected to "Pre-Internship seems to be troublesome for us - Lets discuss for the solution..."

Originally Posted by hellzie

nope dude. it's abt d internship n d preinternship.d govy has now decided tht they will now not allow d students frm china to continue their internship at nepal.g

Internship has not been baned yet. However you need to serve one year after doing internship in Government owned hospital.

Originally Posted by johnnash1

To my knowledge students from Russia and China are the only students from abroad who are allowed to do internship in Nepal.Internship in Nepal is a "must do" for them.

Yes, you are right. Internship done in China and Russia is not recognized by Nepal Medical Council, therefore graduate from this tow country has to do compulsory internship in Nepal.

Originally Posted by hellzie

what if i say m facing tht particular prob rite now n i completed my mbbs frm china n the govt is not allowin us to continue our internship ?

If you complete 4.5 years of Medical Education in China then you can do internship in Nepal. However the institutes like Bir are taking entrance examination for the internship.

[johnnash1]

Originally Posted by hellzie

what if i say m facing tht particular prob rite now n i completed my mbbs frm china n the govt is not allowin us to continue our internship ?

i dont belive u ... government has now put forward a condition that government service for a year is mandatory for those who do their internship in government hospital . Please go to this link http://www.xenomed.com/forums/intern...epal-mohp.html
And of course now we have to pass entrance examination to do internship in Bir hospital.
But i dont know if you are the one asking for doing internship just after completing 4 years of study;you should complete 4.5 years of your study...Nobody should be allowed to do internship only after 4 years of study... one can only be a preintern after 4 years of study not the intern....

Let us all work harder and prove the health state minister and co. wrong ... Let us show them who we are... LET US UNITE....