KU syllabus-a crap

[giordano]

Ku's syllabus for basic sciences is a complete failure n a total crap.Studyin 6 subjects for whole 2 years n all of them just text book based gives the sense dat KU want we guys to be a MUGGER n not a doctor.Imagine wat we guys gonna do wit dat micro stuff.....is dat ne way related to our profession???Different culture plates.agars dis dai all bull shit...all bull shit man....just keep mugin up.paass out n get u degree.....n in da end of 4th yr mind it no body 'll knoe bout ne culture medias...others subjects r like dat too....so guys i want all of ur comments nout this...wether its only my thinkin or even urs....so keep postin n let others knoe......

[Arjun]

As medical students, and future doctors it is essential to have a sound knowledge of the basics. Its not because we need to know about the culture media and all for the rest of our life, but it gives us a great idea of how pathogenic bacteria grow if they get an appropriate environment. It teaches us how dangerous and damaging those little rascals can be. It also teaches the severity of infection caused by some bacteria and why some others are not so severe. It helps us to develop a logic and conception that is absolutely necessary for our future. Similarly if someone wants to do research regarding bacteriology (eg nosocomial infections or something like that) they need to know about these things. Moreover in a Tropical country like Nepal, where a large part of medicine is related to Tropical Medicine, Microbiology and Parasitology are the foundations. These help us to become "safe doctors" and not doctors who know only about rare and ectopic things and not familiar with the common problems. So I think that everything has its own value.

[embolus]

giordano timro kura pani thikai ho tara yaar padhna ta padhnai parchha pachi post graduate/specialization ko exam haru ma basic bata tannai question haru auchha reeee

yhh aa dhanna bhanna birseko... KU ko syllabus ko lagi ni faculty member haru strong hunu parchha natra padhai ta tai tai fisss hunchha

[Love Nepal]

I think most of us already know it but for the few who may not know the KU's syllabus is based on the Macmaster system of integrated learning.In the old system,still in use everywhere in south asia u study few of the basic science subjects in first year then some in second.In our system we integrate the subjects say we study Respiratory system in Physio,the anat class too will be teaching it respi,we will have respiratory system going on in the dissection hall and we will be seeing resp.histology....etc.
We finish everything about basic sciences in 2 years and then from the third year onwards totally concentrate on clinics.That is one more advantage.
I think this is a far better system and one very senior indian professor told us once that they have been trying since years to get this system in India without success.
As one other friend said,basic science is the basis of medicine,if u have a sound base then only u will excel in medicine.And ya u need to know about micro and culture medias and all that.How do u think u will write ur patient notes and orders if u dont know about these?

[Rajiv]

Well dear giordano, I am neither familiar with KU syllabus not that of TU. If you are saying that the KU syllabus is total crap only because it teaches 6 subjects(basic) for 2 years plus lets u perform some experiments with germs, then it is not much strong comment to really call it a crap. I think KU has done a lot in nepalese education system in very short period. Once I saw in a website a vacancy announcement from KU. They were searching a foreign professor, who would do POL classes in KU. Problem Oriented/based Learning is still not old here or in the states. And KU was intending to include it also in their syllabus. This simple thing shows their high intension to keep medicine education standard and up-to-date.

Apropos 6 subjects and cultures, I guess anatomy, physio, biochem, pharma, patho and microbio or comm. med. are taught there during first 2 years. If it is so I must say you guys are having a lot of clinics in your pre-clinic. Pre-clinic in germany seems different, it is as the word it self says "Pre"-clinic. It includes medical physics, chemistry, cellular biology+genetics, anatomy, biochemistry, physiology, medical psychology, medical sociology, and 7 seminars of each POL, AaL (Anatomy in living body) and Recognizing the profession( students are taught and made familiar with physician's professional life), 3 months patient care training during vacation, that's it. The last one is "care", not yet "cure", that means of course you will observe how doctors treat but you actually are to learn to care. Changing their clothes, bed sheets, feeding, cleaning body, helping them walk, et cetera belong to it.

Even the culture things do not belong to pre clinic here, since microbiology is in clinical part. But had to do DNA analysis, sequencing, FISH (fluorescence in situ hybridization) etc in pre-clinic. So, if you regard KU's syllabus as bad for the reasons, then our syllabus is worse coz it engages us with more basic science stuffs(of course all the time with clinical correlation, though). Roughly one can say a GP never needs to do a dna analysis or change patients bed sheets, coz there are clinical geneticist and nursing assistant resp. for these things, so why to learn all these things. First, we are studying under hippocratic theory, we must help ill people at any cost and way. Second, like very famous motto of german medical schools-" to be a good physician you must be a good researcher". And this is possible, as already emphasized by friends, only if one has good knowledge of basic science. Another fact is that medical education (mbbs) is not a final destination, rather a start point. So, one must be prepared for all possible directions. And by the way, KU has also been publishing its own medical journal. That means these guys are not bad at all, they are working hard.
So, my personal view on pre-clinical stuff is pretty motivating, I enjoyed it.
Good Luck!

[dipendra]

Well .....as i also study under KU syllabus .......i think KU syllabus needs some modifications but its not a crap......integated system of learnin and esp in mbbs is a very sound system....but the medical colleges do not actually integrated it and teach haphazardly....at least in any topic antomy should be first followed by bio and physio n other subject ...that makes study really easy n understable.....so we can know everything of a organ altogether ......so it minimize time also........anyway eveything has some negative points ....but we should make the most of positive points it has........

[Sarensa]

For a doctor his basic should be good and sound. You will come to know the importance of basics when u come to clinicals. It sounds bad but its true our clinical knowledge is based on how much of basic information we have set up in our mind.
I know the trachers try to complete the syllabse but we should ourself study like the way dipendra has said.
First complete a system in anatomy and then go through its physiology then pathology and then the biochemistry micro and lastly the pharmacology it will be much easier to read and remember. Try it once